hi, I'm a new user and in order to be frank, I have to say that I don't know much about unix nor linux, I know that unix is older, it's in plain text and etc., but do you think that learning unix and then linux would have a great advantage for me, or I can jump on linux from the begining? If your answer is unix, then do you know any site that I can download that from? thanks and bye...
There is virtually no difference between the two. Sure there are some differences in how filesystems are laid out and other differences to be sure as well. UNIX typically is used in a business setting since most major vendors use UNIX as a basis for their proprietary version.
Linux on the other hand is used for increasingly for business, but is mostly used from PCs or workstations. Linux is a very good product and is becoming more popular because of its many versions, free code from many sites, ease of use and your ability to modify the code for you own purposes, business or personal...
If you were going to learn one on your own, there are many versions to pick from. If you searched this site, you would find many personal preferences.
Here are some helpful links.
Linux is UNIX, but with a few advanced options. Linux is what is known as a flavour of UNIX, but the two are pretty synonymous. If you say Linux, ppl will respond saying UNIX and vice-versa. Linux was just partially developed by a different person (Linus Torvalds, hence Linus' UNIX=Linux)
hi, thanx for your replies, I read them all and found them useful, I think I have to forget about both of them for a while coz just tonight I burnt my 256 MG RAM and I have to replace that! at least linux didn't have a good start for me (: , I also read CornNuts question saying if it's any program that allows you have both unix and windows on one computer, I also went to that Cygwin site, but I think it just allows you to shift your OS, going from windows to linux or sth like that, I mean just a simulation, I still have to make a new partition on my hard drive if I want to install linux, right?
Yes you need a non-Dos partition on an Windows based system.
When I purchased Linux-Mandrake at the local bookstore, it came with a Linux Partition magic tool to create a linux partition. it was very easy to setup with only 1 reboot to apply. Then install the Linux OS.
BTW, How did you fry the memory? At least it is cheeep now!
well, I don't know myself why it happend! but I just fried that, anyway, I think I'm so dumb, today I made 2 extra partitions on my hard drive with Partition Majic, one in Ex2 format and one in SWP ( swap ) format, then I tried to install Red Hat 7.2, it didn't give me any error, but when it got finished and I tried to run it for the first time, it just seemed that it hanged, coz I had that blue page in the start up asking me whether I want Red Hat or Dos, but when I chose Red Hat, there were lots of codes marching on the screen and then the whole system was hanged and I couldn't do anything, my friends tell me that it shouldn't be such hard, I think I have to go to them, anyway, I'm just so stupid!
Hmm... It shouldn't take too long to start up...
That "blue screen" you saw was Grub, the bootloader. That's good so far... At least it found the OS.
What was the last line that you saw before it hung?
I use Redhat 7.2 on a few machines at home, so I'm generally familiar with the common start-up scripts.
And don't feel stupid! It's a new, unfamiliar system! It's good that you devoted some time to it, just give yourself a little more. Very few first-time users of Linux jump right in and have everything perfectly set up to the way you want it.
Post back, and let us know what's going on...
ohhh, my God, It seems that I can never install it! anyway, I've been looking around for some Free E-books on Red Hat, they're lots of them on Linux, but as for as RedHat flavor ( at least I learned one word! ) I couldn't find anything, about that message, I can't remember exactly, it's just after those green OK messages, you know, a long line, then a green OK in []!! and it's about "killing" sth., I didn't get much! Today we tried to install that in the company, the guy there chose "Server" when he wanted to install, I told him that this computer isn't gonna work as a server, but he said never mind! it didn't have any problem and we could install it, it just had some problems with the monitor and couldn't configure that, so, the page was all messed up and we couldn't see anything, but it was installed, I'm thinking that I have to choose "Server" while installing, at least it works! the question that now I have is that, is there any free Ebook on Red Hat 7.2 or other versions? thanx, but I don't think that I can do anything without a good book. thanx for your invaluable helps
:rolleyes:
Take Heart...It usually takes me three or four times to install a new OS and learn it.
Sounds to me like the Xwindows configuration is not working correctly (on workstation version) Xwin is not installed by default on server so that probably works. You can get to a character login by hitting <ctrl> + <alt> + <F1>, so you can fix the configuration of Xwindows. You can use xconfigurator to mess with the config. (The last time I had an X windows problem like this I told the x configurator that I had 1/2 of the video memory that the vid card had to get it to work)
Online Red hat manuals are available here: Support
If you don't mind a change of flavor, FreeBSD has excellent documentation. Take a gander at FreeBSD Handbook | FreeBSD Documentation Portal. It has proven to be a pretty good guide.
I still can't get X to work the 'right' way w/ my vid card, but just choose 'generic' everything and 1MB vid ram.
I suggest that instaed of grub, use LILO as ur boot loader. If you can get X to work, ur home free!
oh yeah, and by the way... if the message that hangs your computer is something like
detecting blah blah blah eth0:
it will hang for a long time trying to detect a network (if there isn't oneto be found)
and, if you forgot to install a dektop (GNome, KDE, etc...), I don't think X will work...
boris the eth0 as you said is the network services started to grab an ip or trying to activate the network card during the boot up. If you dont have a network connection you can disable it buy starting X and disable the network services. Or disable it during startup. I got this thing happend before but i managed to configure it.
Hi everybody, thanks to boris and everyone who tried to help me, but it seems that u have to make a thread for dumber ppl in your site, After 15 times of installation, when Gurub comes up, and I choose RedHat, and after lots of messages comming on my screen, I see this and then computer hangs:
Code: 0f e7 06 0f 6f 4b 08 0f e7 4e 08 0f 6f 53 10 0f e7 56 10 0f
<0>Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!
Also at the 14th time, when I saw that damn Gurub, I entered <p>, and then entered my password, and chose to come up as root ( I dunno much things about these names! I just know that root is sth like administrator in windows 2000 server that we have in university!), when it's comming up, I got the following message, and that penguin hanged again:
Kernel Panic: Aiee, killing interrup handler, in interrup handler- not syncing.
At the 13th time, I got this when Gurub came up:
Call Trace: [<co1356db> [ <c0136976>] [<d0012ee8]...
also some codes in here that I can't remember, then
code: 8959 04 89 40 08 89 73 04 89 58 04 57 9d 5b 5e 5f c3 8d b6
Also when I'm trying to partition my harddisk during installation with Disk Druid, when I define a / (root) partition in the free unpartitioned space of my hard disk, it says:
"Warning: Boot Partition / may not meet booting constrains for your architecture. Creation of a boot disk is highly encouraged."
Also it doesn't detect my monitor, that's a LG Studiworks 775E
My CPU is Duron 750 MHZ, and my motherboard is Giga 7VMM, and as u might know, a 7VMM has Graphic Card and SoundCard on itself, and the display adapter's name is: VIA Tech VT8361/VT 8601, that I also can not find it in RedHat's graphic card detection menu.
Dear boris, I also installed LILO instead of Gurub several times, but when the computer starts up, it doesn't show Gurub2 Starting, instead it write Gurub... and then hangs, it means I even do not get those lines b4 hanging, at the begining it hangs!
I'm beliving that my system isn't compatible with this penguin, or I'm really such an idiot who can not install it, besides, I'm a web designer, and maybe it's better that I go through my HTML and Flash stuff instead of messing with different operating systems. anyway, thanx to you all for your help, but I don't think even you, with such experince, ever saw someone who installed Linux for 15 times and it still didn't work!
bubye
Thanks, I'll check it out! it really lags on my two PI 100's! (untill, of course I remove the network card... 
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Ouch. Kernel panic isn't good, although it isn't your fault.
Does this system work with any other OS?
You may have some bad components (memory, CPU, system board, etc...)
If it works with any other system than Redhat Linux, write down all of that crappy error text and codes, and file a bug report with Redhat.
I hope you have subscribed to under the brim, the RedHat newsletter, It may give you some links for help with such bugs.
This looks like it may be related to your problem
hi, u can't even imagine how nice you were to me and how relaxed I was whenver I wanted to install the penguin, coz I knew there're some ppl who take care!!!! Some good news and bad news, first, the bad news: till I don't become somehow experienced ( means knowing at least unix commands) and entering that beautiful code into the LILO, as it's written in that URL that dear Rellips contributed, I can not install RedHat on my comp! then the good news: in the 16th installation, of course not at home, but in the company, I could SUCCESSFULLY install that on a Pentium II !!!! 
And I could finally see RedHat's view and smell its environment, ( I somehow forgot to say that after one hour of working, it said that a fatal error occured, and GNOME is crashed!!!), I think I have to install it again, but it's working at least, thanx to you all, you're really friendly, and I hope one day I become somehow experienced that I can solve others problems too, you're really great, thanks
PS: When I installed that as a workstation and it came up, I put a video CD in that comp, and RedHat showed a film icon for the file that I found out it recognized the file type, but when I double clicked on that, the CD-ROM started working, but I couldn't see anything on the screen, when I attempted to eject the CD-ROM, it just didn't come out, and when I right clicked on the CD-ROM icon on the RedHat desktop ( I mean the first page, I dunno if i can use desktop for redhat too ) and chose "unmount", it didn't do anything and I just restarted the computer to get my CD back! is it normal?